Jony Ive is as synonymous with Apple’s success since the late 90s as Steve Jobs as chief designer of the products Apple has become famous for in recent decades from the original iMac, to the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad. With Steve Jobs passing away in 2011, and Apple’s products become more evolutionary than revolutionary, the time has now come for Jony Ive to move on, but not too far with his new startup signing up Apple as its first customer. Steve and Ben discuss this momentous retirement in Apple history, and what Jony Ive’s departure will mean for Apple moving forward without its iconic designer.

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